Funnybook Babylon

August 7, 2007

FBBP #23 – Manstream!

Filed under: Podcasts — Joseph Mastantuono @ 7:05 pm

What we’ve been reading,

Manstream! DCMinx vs. Lea Hernandez.

Tony Stark in the Iron Man Movie! Not the fascist with a mustache, the one that was in Wu-Tang.

Also, Is the Ultimate Universe going boom? Well, you won’t find out definitively on this podcast but we will talk about it!


  1. Fellas, I don’t know who you confused me with, but I didn’t pitch to Minx. I talked to Paul Levitz about a Batgirl manga, and was referred to Dan DiDio. After talking to DiDio and getting the sense that any hero project had to lead female readers back to regular DC books.
    I wanted to do something more like “manga” Sandman & Death.

    I pitched a girl’s line to Paul Levitz, and was referred to Bond. I contacted Bond twice, and never heard back.

    Incidentally, Cosmo Girl has been running a manga by Svetlana Chmakova for well over a year.

    Bond has said she saw girls reading manga and wanted to get that audience. The direction they’re headed is not going to capture that audience. They have a good chance of catching the audience Oni and Slave built, though.

    My issue with Minx and female creators is in making a girl’s line with virtually no professionals of career writers of the target gender. Same shit, different day.

    The creators initially hired apparently didn’t know they were being hired for a girl’s line. Food for thought.

    Comment by Lea — August 8, 2007 @ 1:16 am

  2. Do you think that it’s really important for a line targeting girls to have female creators? Shouldn’t the sole focus be the quality and appropriateness of the work?

    I know this wasn’t the focus of your commentary, but what resonated with me the most was your critique of the trend of non-comics creators being recruited for comics. On some level, this is a good thing. It draws mainstream attention to the industry, and can potentially expand the audience. Over the last two podcasts, I’ve really started to think about what the long-term implications are of this phenomenon. It seems to promote this idea that all forms of entertainment, whether television, novels, books, comics or journalism, are essentially fungible, and the skill sets required for one are easily transferable to another. As a long-term comics fan, I find this theory offensive.

    Moreover, it results in creators recruited solely due to their name recognition, which may have some effect on the marketplace (assuming a person who’s a fan of, say, Lost will (a) wander into a comic book store, or the comic section of a book store, (b) recognize the writer as a producer/co-writer of Lost, and (c) buy Ultimate Hulk v. Ultimate Wolverine), but will limit the opportunities that independent creators have to supplement their income by working for one of the big two. As a fan, it means that there are more comics produced by amateurs that I have no interest in reading.

    I’d say far more than this, but not in a comment to the blog.

    Thanks for commenting. By the way, I haven’t heard the podcast yet, but if I made any errors in characterizing the intentions behind your posts on the subject, I apologize.

    Comment by Jamaal — August 8, 2007 @ 11:01 am

  3. I’m the jerk who spoiled the Skrulektra rumor two weeks early.

    I just thought I’d let you guys know that the Bendis rumor is being debunked left and right on the forums where I get my rumors from so I wouldn’t worry about that too much. But the X-men and Fantastic Four rumors seem to have some truth to them. Whatever happens after Jeph Loeb’s Ultimate Event will probably result in both of those titles getting restarted.

    Comment by Ryan — August 8, 2007 @ 3:28 pm

  4. “The behemoth of a comic book company has announced a new imprint entitled “Minx,” targeted at female readers who may not be attracted to superheroes or manga, but whom have interest in the medium of comic books. Minx launches in May.”

    p.s. and example of a good comic book adaptation of a young adult novel into a comic book would be the Baby Sitters Club published by Scholastic. But that doesn’t sound like what Minx is, from what I read at that website :)

    Comment by Sofi — August 8, 2007 @ 11:12 pm

  5. Hey fellas, sorry I missed this week’s recording. A few notes on the main issue:

    1. I think the confusion about Lea pitching (or actually not pitching) to Minx came from the fact that we were talking two “Minx is not very good in various ways” conversation threads, one stemming from Lea’s comments, the other from comments by Alex de Campi, who if I recall was pitching to Vertigo, not Minx. But some people online attributed her poor opinion of Minx to sour grapes for getting her pitch dismissed. I’m not suggesting any sort of causal relationship towards those two events in Ms. de Campi’s life, but I am guessing that is where “pitch turned down, complain online” concept entered into the equation.

    Also, in terms of “female indie comic creators” who might do YA graphic novels, I feel like there are already a number of outlets where those things are happening. Like Sofi mentioned, Scholastic’s published a number of YA graphic novels from the likes of Raina Telgemeier, Christine Norrie and Chynna Cluggston. Cluggston and Norrie (along with Hope Larson and probably some others I’m forgetting) have put out some YA-girl-friendly books out of Oni. Sara Varon’s Robot Dreams and Becky Cloonan’s East Coast Rising, while not quite in line with “Minx”, are two other books from female comic creators that have found their homes at First Second and Tokyopop. And I’m sure there are lots of other ones that I am overlooking.

    None of this changes the facts put forth about the Minx line itself; it’s still mostly guys doing the comics, with most of the females imported from outside of comics. But I also don’t know if any of the people I mentioned were asked to pitch for Minx, or if they have any desire to pitch to Minx. I also don’t mean to say the existence of all those comics listed above ‘proves’ there is a market of young girls for Minx; I’m a 28 year old dude who bought all of the comics mentioned above (not to mention the first wave of Minx books), and it’s entirely possible I am unintentionally the primary market for all of those things. I don’t know.

    Nice show, though. Thanks for the Downcounting plug.

    Comment by Chris Eckert — August 9, 2007 @ 1:39 am

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